No, maybe that wasn’t it. Words precede and surpass me, they tempt and alter me, and if I am not careful it will be too late: things will be said without my having said them. Or, at the very least, that wasn’t the only thing. My entanglement comes from how a carpet is made of so many threads that I can’t resign myself to following just one; my ensnarement comes from how one story is made of many stories. And I can’t even tell them all— a more truthful word could from echo to echo cause my highest glaciers to crumble down the precipice.” - Clarice Lispector

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  • I actually think the ecosystem benefit here will quickly payback even that large of an investment, an open air, safe feeling wildlife transit corridor for wildlife can easily be a keystone piece of architecture in maintaining a regional ecosystem and flow of nutrients/migration of animals. That isn’t even bringing into the picture the MASSIVE cost savings that a reduction in wildlife-vehicle collisions inherently provides.

    Benefits of crossings

    The U.S. records more than 1 million wildlife–vehicle collisions each year, and that is probably an undercount because of unreported incidents.3 These crashes cost more than $10 billion annually in repairs, medical care, and lost productivity, and they cause about 200 deaths and 26,000 injuries annually.4 According to the Federal Highway Administration, wildlife crossings can deliver key benefits for drivers and wildlife, including:

    Crash prevention: Wildlife crossings with fencing can cut large-mammal collisions by more than 80%—and up to 97% for certain species, including deer and elk—making them among the most effective ways to improve driver safety and wildlife connectivity.5

    Cost savings: Each prevented wildlife–vehicle collision can save thousands of dollars—more than $19,000 per deer crash, $73,000 per elk, and $110,000 per moose—in vehicle, injury, and wildlife costs, making well-placed crossings a strong investment.6

    Habitat connectivity: Roads, fences, and development break up landscapes and block wildlife migration, limiting animals’ access to food, water, and mates, which can cause population declines and reduce biodiversity by up to 75%.7

    Communities throughout the country are investing in a range of wildlife crossings to improve public safety and protect vulnerable species. (See Figure 2.)

    https://www.pew.org/en/research-and-analysis/fact-sheets/2026/01/wildlife-crossings-save-lives-cut-costs-and-protect-animals

    Relevant article

    https://y2y.net/blog/how-wildlife-crossings-revolutionized-conservation/

    Another relevant study that looks interesting

    https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9753749/

















  • Witnessing is an experience. That’s your experience. You are conquoring the desire to interact with nature, fulfilling your ego goal of passive acceptance.

    What a tortured twisting of my words, of course witnessing is an experience, it is an experience that brings you outside yourself unlike a physical battle with the limits of your body that draws you inward.

    I joke - but really, go to a hiking trail sometime and tell all the people who show up to hike they are all selfish and egotistical for wanting to hike the whole trail instead of just stopping whenever the mood strikes them and going home.

    Why would I do that?


  • Claiming the way an entire subset of other people experience nature is inferior and shallow compared to yours is kinda the definition of a sense of superiority, yeah

    I am arguing our cultural framing around outdoor culture is inferior and shallow compared to a deeper more thoughtful relationship with the natural world and and an awareness of the living history of colonialism as it bends and warps our perspective our relationship with nature.

    If you do not allow me this without labelling me as attempting to claim I am superior than you simply do not allow any kind of criticism of your beliefs/actions in this area. How else am I supposed to interpet this?




  • By saying jogging through nature is inherently selfish compared to walking through it. I’d also say you pretty clearly look down upon those who like to exercise in nature based on your other comments here, and your framing of people doing it for ‘the drug chemicals’.

    I like drugs, I have no problem with taking drugs I just don’t like when people pretend they aren’t taking drugs when they are.

    You say you’re not bashing them, but I’m not sure that defense works since you’re kind’ve framing a different way of experiencing nature as inherently inferior and ‘selfish’ compared to your preferred way, instead of framing it as two equally valid ways to experience it (as long as it doesn’t hurt the local ecology, or leave any litter).

    Yes and you are framing this conversation in a way that if I criticize a broad cultural movement centered around the outdoors for being shallow this necessarily means I think I am superior. You allow no other perspective other than one that agrees with your own unless that perspective is relativistic about everything with no judgements possible at all.

    I can criticize outdoor culture without being selfish or adopting a position of assumed superiority and even if I was those things it doesn’t actually negate the points I am making since I am arguing the overall selfishness of outdoor culture is even greater? We are all a part of this problem as we are all part of the same society.