Saved!

I also like the idea of avoiding microplastic contamination:)

So dumb

I’ve been searching for the same thing - a PFA/PFC free shell to go over my regular trousers. I’ve tried these three and haven’t had any luck with any of them:

• Patagonia Torrentshell: I could hardly take a full stride in these, and sizing up was like wearing oversized parachute pants

• Marmot equivalent: Much more mobility, but just not enough for me to pedal on a bike without the pants becoming very taut. I fear they’d rip after a while.

• Outdoor Research equivalent: Satisfactory mobility, but for some reason the ankle cuffs are really wide - water would definitely splash up inside these if you were walking through puddles, so it feels like they miss the mark a little especially considering these are a bit more expensive than the others.

I’m still looking, open to recommendations!

I feel like there is an equation in here

Aha, the question of whether washing by hand or using a dishwasher is better! Another person on this thread made a good point about the amount of uses a ceramic plate needs in order to offset the carbon footprint of its production.

So, I suppose the real question is can we use a dishwasher enough times to offset the carbon footprint of its production? I would say yes, and if we can assume that a dishwasher loads is less intensive than the same load washed by hand, then the dishwasher is better in the long run.

But what do we do with the dishwasher when it’s no longer usable?..

Incredibly important point! We have to assume the local government takes composting seriously for composting to work, which we can’t rely on.

The building I work in (downtown in Vancouver) doesn’t even recycle (what the fuck?)

Reusable, washable ceramic wins

I agree, our ambition seems useful at first but tends to become a curse once we have what we need. If you take space exploration as an example, I feel that until we go to mars humanity is always going to want to go to mars. And then, we will want to do the next thing. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when, assuming we can. If we can, we will.

Unfortunately, a very annoying human happens to be leading this effort at the moment.

Unfortunately these types of dedicated shops tend to be expensive - at least this has been the case for the soap dispensaries I’ve been to. Until they’re more widely adopted, I guess that problem won’t go away. It’s an unfortunate paradox! I’d love for governments (or benevolent rich folks) to subsidise businesses like these so they can appeal to a broader audience.

For sure! However these are conscious choices that informed consumers can make. What I’d love to see is a world where an uninformed consumer can choose default products that have no impact on the environment because the government has made it so. No additional effort is required on the part of the consumer.

Want foodstuffs? Those are purchasable by weight and if you need a container they’re cardboard or glass. Want soap? The store stocks bars of it or liquid by weight.