I spent over 100k sats on 2 pieces of junk good for nothing but a landfill, because of retailers and other websites and random people lying about LoRa mesh protocols being “open source.”
The goal was already to spread the word about lies these retailers and other related sites spread, e.g. gaslighting users about end-to-end encryption, but there’s no point using the network to spread the word about the lie of being open source. It’s a fool’s errand, the corporations already scammed my money out of me and they’ll just use me to make even more money while I try to tell people to stop wasting the money.
So now I have a SenseCap and a Wio Tracker L1 Pro shipping to me for nothing except to scrap for parts like the batteries, and throw the malware transceiver/computer parts in the garbage so nobody can use them to spread this piece of shit malware cult.
Have fun downvoting/removing/banning me, to the majority here moronic enough to side with the scammers even after reading the truth.
Don’t worry, I wouldn’t ban you for this.
Yes, the physical modulation implemented by LoRa transceivers is proprietary.
It is not entirely correct to say that the “mesh” itself is proprietary. Meshtastic is open source, even if it relies on proprietary radio hardware. In principle, one could take the Meshtastic codebase and adapt it to a different physical layer.
It is perfectly reasonable to reject a technology because the full stack is not open. That said, once you look closely at most modern digital and RF hardware, you are extremely likely to encounter proprietary ICs, firmware, or physical layer implementations somewhere in the stack.
Meshtastic is not “open source,” you are lying.
The issue isn’t the “full stack,” it is the lie.
Luanti running in Windows: open source game, not open source full stack.
Team Fortress 2 running on any OS: not open source, people lie about it being open source.
Understand difference between “lie” and “open source software but not full stack”
I understand you are angry but posting “you are lying” is unnecessarily hostile.
Many people, like me, are uninformed on LoRa and meshtastic.
I literally have no idea about it other than fluffy articles and YouTubers.
I do know that Linux is called OpenSource despite relying on closed source binary blobs for virtually all real world implementations.
I promise you I am not lying to you. I may be mis-understanding you.
Here is the source code for Meshtastic firmware: https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware
But I am assume that we have a different understanding of what is and what isn’t open source.
Ah yes, I forgot the exact words of the Meshtastic homepage called it “closed source” and “proprietary” but with “open source firmware mixed in” (no idea how to add screenshot to a reply in PieFed)
Here is the homepage, and that is not what it says: https://meshtastic.org/
Malware? You say you’re sharing the truth but make such claims without proof.
It is known that the chip itself is not open source, and that is unfortunate, but the software being built on top of it absolutely is open source.
So you are only half right.
No, I’m two halves right and you are wrong.
The chip itself being closed source isn’t the problem, I knew that before I ordered (and my discussion thread about it on reddit also gave the community the opportunity to clarify the entire ecoystem lying about being “open source” before my money was wasted, but nobody bothered to tell me).
The problem is the software built on top of it being a proprietary protocol: a LoRa mesh network. Meshtastic and Meshcore are exclusively based on LoRa, which is proprietary, so they are not open source.
If I bought this for Reticulum, you could say the software was fully open source, but I didn’t.
It’s like a game that calls itself “open source” when it compiles nothing without a proprietary game engine, or a game engine that calls itself “open source” when it compiles jack shit without DirectX. That’s not open source software, it’s proprietary software with a useless piece of it open-sourced for no purpose except to justify lying about the whole thing being “open source.”
Deleted my original reply because it didn’t address the core issue enough.
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is all meshtastic closed source?
Meshtastic (and Meshcore) are technically open source protocols but the LoRa technology they both use is proprietary.
Reticulum?
